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Torchwood - Children of Earth
Both days as I didn't see yesterday's until this afternoon as I was out all yesterday evening at ![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
rozk's birthday. I loved it. I did cry when Ianto died, as I am a sentimental sod and a well written character death will do that. I do feel for those devastated by it and those who will be upset by what Jack did to Stephen today. I know how it feels when watching things like that.
I did think the deaths were well done and had appropriate weight, both to the characters and the audience and were treated with respect.
The cost also paid for solving the plot, in the case of Stephen, and combined with Ianto in putting Jack back in space and the show in a parking mode.
That it was also a Spooks crossover did also mean that killing a main character was narratively essential. It also made good drama.
Things I adored:
Gwen. Grown into her best self and a worthy leader for a Torchwood (which it is named rather than 'Captain Jack') TNG.
Gwen and Rhys. So, so wonderful to see a couple which has faced problems, been human and fallible but grown up, faced those problems together, got married and into an awesome partnership, where the strong woman is that without emasculating the guy but both contribute their skill sets to a bigger whole. All in two and a half series, which is way better than some shows of a decade of story and still no shit or get off the pot.
The vile PM, pwned by two middle aged women, neither of whom are plaster saints but profoundly grey and appropriately ruthless for the Spooks crossoverness. I just hope the vile Yank General is also pwned as he really (though believably) rubbed me up the wrong way with the tell other people's governments what to do.
The COBRA meeting as a whole was horribly believable and very Spooks.
The only thing that surprised me about the PM telling Frobisher that his kids had to be used as PR/bait was that it wasn't one of the junior ministers instead, as that would be better PR as well as fit in with that Tory Minister force-feeding his kid a burger during Mad Cow.
It also fitted in beautifully into the fight back on the estate. It showed why Johnnie's calling Ianto a bender as the character was introduced was essential to the story being told. The government (and significant chunks of fandom) look down on the part of society he represents. Hence the 'chavscum' accusations aimed at some characters in the wider 'verse and how COBRA could decide to give away the children of the failing schools, the rough estates, the kids on the corners. Yes, they're not always pretty, not mealy mouthed or politically correct. The same fight the men of the estate and the mothers outside the schools can come through in ways other than doing the right thing and fighting tooth and nail for the kids, but its there and its real and its a fuck sight better than collaborating lest it be your kids or Frobisher the ultimate insider offing his wife, kids and self in opting out.
Lois earned her way in to any continuation.
The Anne Widecome lookalike would be a fascinating replacement for Frobisher in any continuation.
Andy came good as Andy does. *pets*
Jack was Jack. He's not the Doctor, he's a born second in command and happier that way. He doesn't have the record to back up the Vashta Narada manoeuvre, and that cost him Ianto. Jack is a pragmatic bastard and will always take the ends justifies the means. Using his own flesh and blood made character sense. It clearly hurt, as did losing Ianto, but he did it and tried his best. Now he might be back after a recharge out in the stars, or he may pop up in the SM era - either way at the moment he and the show are in parking mode. We'll see.
Things I wasn't as happy with:
Drug dealing as cause for wars - Opium Wars, America's CIA backed coups and the death toll in both. That fits. Though I did wonder why Jack didn't try calling in the Shadow Proclamation, as if using Earth as a breeding planet was illegal for the Adipose I can't help feeling that using it as a supply of drugs is also cause for the Rhinos to stomp.
Harry Pierce, Ros Myers, Malcolm and Lucas better have been out of Thames House foiling Human Evol when the virus came or I will be severely pissed off. I accept that any of them might go at any time, but not off screen.
I do wish someone, especially the military had brought up Danegeld. The 456, like the Danes, would have come back for more. Paying up only buys you time. They always come back.
And I would like to know that Myfanwy is alive and well and hunting sheep in the Brecon Beacons.
rozk's birthday. I loved it. I did cry when Ianto died, as I am a sentimental sod and a well written character death will do that. I do feel for those devastated by it and those who will be upset by what Jack did to Stephen today. I know how it feels when watching things like that.I did think the deaths were well done and had appropriate weight, both to the characters and the audience and were treated with respect.
The cost also paid for solving the plot, in the case of Stephen, and combined with Ianto in putting Jack back in space and the show in a parking mode.
That it was also a Spooks crossover did also mean that killing a main character was narratively essential. It also made good drama.
Things I adored:
Gwen. Grown into her best self and a worthy leader for a Torchwood (which it is named rather than 'Captain Jack') TNG.
Gwen and Rhys. So, so wonderful to see a couple which has faced problems, been human and fallible but grown up, faced those problems together, got married and into an awesome partnership, where the strong woman is that without emasculating the guy but both contribute their skill sets to a bigger whole. All in two and a half series, which is way better than some shows of a decade of story and still no shit or get off the pot.
The vile PM, pwned by two middle aged women, neither of whom are plaster saints but profoundly grey and appropriately ruthless for the Spooks crossoverness. I just hope the vile Yank General is also pwned as he really (though believably) rubbed me up the wrong way with the tell other people's governments what to do.
The COBRA meeting as a whole was horribly believable and very Spooks.
The only thing that surprised me about the PM telling Frobisher that his kids had to be used as PR/bait was that it wasn't one of the junior ministers instead, as that would be better PR as well as fit in with that Tory Minister force-feeding his kid a burger during Mad Cow.
It also fitted in beautifully into the fight back on the estate. It showed why Johnnie's calling Ianto a bender as the character was introduced was essential to the story being told. The government (and significant chunks of fandom) look down on the part of society he represents. Hence the 'chavscum' accusations aimed at some characters in the wider 'verse and how COBRA could decide to give away the children of the failing schools, the rough estates, the kids on the corners. Yes, they're not always pretty, not mealy mouthed or politically correct. The same fight the men of the estate and the mothers outside the schools can come through in ways other than doing the right thing and fighting tooth and nail for the kids, but its there and its real and its a fuck sight better than collaborating lest it be your kids or Frobisher the ultimate insider offing his wife, kids and self in opting out.
Lois earned her way in to any continuation.
The Anne Widecome lookalike would be a fascinating replacement for Frobisher in any continuation.
Andy came good as Andy does. *pets*
Jack was Jack. He's not the Doctor, he's a born second in command and happier that way. He doesn't have the record to back up the Vashta Narada manoeuvre, and that cost him Ianto. Jack is a pragmatic bastard and will always take the ends justifies the means. Using his own flesh and blood made character sense. It clearly hurt, as did losing Ianto, but he did it and tried his best. Now he might be back after a recharge out in the stars, or he may pop up in the SM era - either way at the moment he and the show are in parking mode. We'll see.
Things I wasn't as happy with:
Drug dealing as cause for wars - Opium Wars, America's CIA backed coups and the death toll in both. That fits. Though I did wonder why Jack didn't try calling in the Shadow Proclamation, as if using Earth as a breeding planet was illegal for the Adipose I can't help feeling that using it as a supply of drugs is also cause for the Rhinos to stomp.
Harry Pierce, Ros Myers, Malcolm and Lucas better have been out of Thames House foiling Human Evol when the virus came or I will be severely pissed off. I accept that any of them might go at any time, but not off screen.
I do wish someone, especially the military had brought up Danegeld. The 456, like the Danes, would have come back for more. Paying up only buys you time. They always come back.
And I would like to know that Myfanwy is alive and well and hunting sheep in the Brecon Beacons.
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He just doesn't have the name, reputation and well the importance that the Doctor has.
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The last episode had a Watchmen-like brutality to its logic - given the circumstances, you either have to agree with Frobisher's willingness to sacrifice other people's children as long as his own family is protected, or Jack's acceptence of sacrificing his own flesh and blood to save the world. I don't know what (if anything) is planned for Jack in the future, but his setup as a John Constantine/Jack Bauer-type character is pretty well complete.
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Very true.
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I didn't twig any Spooks crossover, am wracking brains and clearly stupid!
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I'm glad they included the Welsh issues too and hopefully it will be informative overseas too, at least to some.
Spooks - lots of Thames house, lots of political stuff, COBRA meetigns and general character death.
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I think the last time I came was a Spooks freak out, re character death...
Thank you for explaining the links:) ...to the stupid:)
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Agree also that Jack is a pragmatic bastard and he never really was good as "the hero". In a way I'd like to see a season 4 where Gwen etc gave got things going again and Jack reappeared as an antagonist - (a bit too like Avon in B7 tho?)
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As did Avon.